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Old 17th November 2007, 10:03 PM
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God created Lucifer.Lucifer disobeyed God and became the devil.Why? Because he chose to.How? Because Lucifer got free will.Who created Lucifer? God.Who gave him free will? God.Did God have foreknowledge of what Lucifer would become and do before creating him? Yes.Could God have chosen to not create Lucifer then? Yes.Did He? No.If I was the all loving God knowing that creating Lucifer would end up in Lucifer inflicting horrible pain to people and eternal burning in hell to Lucifer himself, would I have avoided the creation on Lucifer? Yes.God creating Lucifer with free will but writing Lucifers future as a damned life is not all loving to me.Yes, Lucifer chose it with his free will but God knew before creating Lucifer what the outcome would be.An all loving God like Himself CHOOSING not to avoid this creation is very strange.NOTE: This is not a question of free will. I will agree, Lucifer got free will.But why did God not avoid this creation?By not avoiding the creation of Lucifer God indirectly declares that He does not care about the fact that one of his creations "Lucifer" will eventually end up burning in hell and suffer eternally!Does a God of love do this kind of stuff?Creating something knowing that it will suffer eternally?God knew it and could have avoided it.God CHOSE not to avoid it and CHOSE to see Lucifer burn eternally in HELL!Who do we blame here?Satan which God knew would burn in hell and become evil or God who could have avoided the terrible incident from happening as He already knew the future.You be the judge.Remember: it is not a question on whether Lucifer got free will or not.The question is why God would be so evil and choose to have one of His creations suffer eternally in Hell when He knew it would happen but could have stopped it.God sounds really cruel and evil here.I pity Satan. If I were Satan I would not have wanted to be created.
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Uncle!NOT.I am totally alright with the fact that you do not comprehend truth.Just because you admit that you can not understand the issue of sovereignty, makes no difference to what the truth is.
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Old 18th November 2007, 01:03 AM
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ugh dont bother. you can justify anything with religion and you know it.
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Yup - you've single handedly defeated Christianity where the rest of history has failed.The Bible can now be listed as fiction in the dewy decimal system.God can take a much needed holiday.
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Old 18th November 2007, 04:44 AM
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are you retarded kid what came first a egg or a chicken ?
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Old 18th November 2007, 05:45 AM
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Nice. Your post is based purely on a misconception of Christianity.First of all, "lucifer" is simply Latin for a Hebrew word meaning "morning star." It is used to describe the fall of the king of Babylon in Isaiah.Second of all, there is no biblical evidence Satan was ever good or he ever chose to become evil.Third of all, it is pure speculation to state Satan had or has free will.The rest of your post is not worth addressing because it is based on the three false assumptions I pointed out above.
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Im not a Christian but ..... Lucifer has nothing to do with the Christian ReligonLucifer is a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. The word Lucifer was the direct translation of the Septuagint Greek heosphoros, ("dawn-bearer"); (cf. Greek phosphoros, "light-bearer") and the Hebrew Helel, ("Bright one") used by Jerome in the Vulgate, having mythologically the same meaning as Prometheus who brought fire to humanity."Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell? The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King"). The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness. So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."Henry Neufeld (a Christian who comments on Biblical sticky issues) went on to say, "this passage is often related to Satan, and a similar thought is expressed in Luke 10:18 by Jesus, that was not its first meaning. It's primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon . . ." Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers first to the fall of that earthly king... How does the confusion in translating this verse arise? The Hebrew of this passage reads: "heleyl, ben shachar" which can be literally translated "shining one, son of dawn." This phrase means, again literally, the planet Venus when it appears as a morning star. In the Septuagint, a 3rd century BC translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek, it is translated as "heosphoros" which also means Venus as a morning star. How did the translation "lucifer" arise? This word comes from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Was Jerome in error? Not at all. In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."Therefore, Lucifer wasn't equated with Satan until after Jerome. Jerome wasn't in error. Later Christians (and Mormons) were in equating "Lucifer" with "Satan". So why is this a problem to Christians? Christians now generally believe that Satan (or the Devil or Lucifer who they equate with Satan) is a being who has always existed (or who was created at or near the "beginning"). Therefore, they also think that the 'prophets' of the Old Testament believed in this creature. The Isaiah scripture is used as proof (and has been used as such for hundreds of years now). As Elaine Pagels explains though, the concept of Satan has evolved over the years and the early Bible writers didn't believe in or teach such a doctrine. The irony for those who believe that "Lucifer" refers to Satan is that the same title ('morning star' or 'light-bearer') is used to refer to Jesus, in 2 Peter 1:19, where the Greek text has exactly the same term: 'phos-phoros''light-bearer.' This is also the term used for Jesus in Revelation 22:16. So why is Lucifer a far bigger problem to Mormons? Mormons claim that an ancient record (the Book of Mormon) was written beginning in about 600 BC, and the author in 600 BC supposedly copied Isaiah in Isaiah's original words. When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon. Obviously he wasn't copying what Isaiah actually wrote. He was copying the King James Version of the Bible. Another book of LDS scripture, the Doctrine & Covenants, furthers this problem in 76:26 when it affirms the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan. This incorrect doctrine also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah
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Old 18th November 2007, 08:33 AM
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To tell you something. I believe that even though we humans are intelligent. Our capabilities are very limited. So as our understanding of our existence. So God did not say the reason why because He knows we can't understand. But then why did He create us even if He knows we don't understand. Then look again. We can't explain because we don't understand. We people can't understand because we are not so intelligent after all. Why did he create the universe- we don't EXACTLY know.
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You have to learn about what their story is based upon, which is simple astrology, and astronomy. Jesus/Horus is nothing more than the SUNSatan is SATURN, the 6th planet which at one time was a SUN also, now it's just a mass of hydrogen and helium without a fused core. Saturn is called the Dark Star, and the Black Sun, and is represented by the black square, the black cube, the 8 spoked wheel, and the the black sun. Lucifer is VENUS, the morning star, "Son of the morning" in Isaiah 14:12 The story goes that Venus was once coupled with Saturn when Saturn was still a sun also, and broke free. So that's where Lucifer gets its free will. When Saturn burnt out/imploded or whatever happened to it, to the ancient people it probably looked as if it had been cast ouf the heavens. The bible is all based upon basic astronomy, and astrology, which of course it forbids you to study. The Jesus story can be found in numerous religions dating way back before Christianity. It's nothing more than current mythology.
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